In Attendance

Gordon Williams Canadian Council of Professional Geoscientists info@ccpg.ca
Paul Robinson Education Director, CGC robinso@is.dal.ca
Don Lawton Canadian Council of Chairs of Earth Science Departments delawton@geo.ucalgary.ca
Ron McMillan Financial Director, CGC ronmcm@islandnet.com
Denis St-Onge Past President, CGC dst-onge@nrcan.gc.ca
Ian McIlreath PanCanadian Petroleum Ltd., Guest ian_mcilreath@pancanadian.ca
Jim Nicholls Mineralogical Association of Canada nicholls@geo.ucalgary.ca
Peter Bobrowsky International Director, CGC peter.bobrowsky@gems.7.gov.bc.ca
Ted Watchuk Canadian Society of Petroleum Geologists, Guest watchuk@pocopete.ca
Grant Mossop Geological Association of Canada/Geological Survey of Canada mossop@gsc.nrcan.gc.ca
Nancy Shaw Canadian Society of Exploration Geophysicists nshaw@integrageo.com
Elaine Honsberger Canadian Society of Exploration Geophysicists ElaineHonsberger@aec.ca
Corey Froese Canadian Geotechnical Society cfroese@agraee.com
Antoni Lewkowicz University of Ottawa, Guest alewkowi@uottawa.ca
Mary-Claire Ward Prospectors and Developers Association of Canada, Guest wards@can.net
Judith Potter Canadian Society of Coal and Organic Petrology jupotter@nrcan.gc.ca
Jan Boon Committee of Provincial Geologists jan.boon@gov.ab.ca
Jeremy Hall Issues Director, CGC jhall@waves.esd.mun.ca
Alan V. Morgan Administrative Director, CGC avmorgan@uwaterloo.ca
Bob McNutt President, CGC (Chair of Meeting) rmcnutt@credit.erin.utoronto.ca
Dirk Tempelman-Kluit President-Elect, CGC dirktk@direct.ca
John F. Gartner Business Manager, CGC jgartnr@ibm.net
 

Minutes of the Meeting (Prepared by John F. Gartner)

Introduction and Welcome The Chair welcomed all members and guests, and reminded the members that all Member Societies with 1000 paid members or more were allowed two representatives, each with a vote, on Council, and those with less than 1000 paid members were allowed one representative, and one vote on Council. Societies should forward to the CGC Business Manager, the names and email addresses of the designated representatives and alternatives to these representatives. (Note: Associate Societies do not have a vote)

Action: Societies and Associate Societies to provide the Business Manager with the names of their official representatives and alternatives on Council

 All Societies
Minutes of 99th Council meeting It was moved by Alan Morgan and seconded by Dirk Tempelman-Kluit that the minutes of the 99th Council meeting be adopted. There were no action items and the minutes were unanimously accepted.  
 Earth Science Sector of NRCan S&T Capacity Study  Jeremy Hall indicated that the ESS had not responded, beyond acknowledgement to the report that the CGC had submitted on this capacity study earlier this year

Grant Mossop, representing ESS responded that ESS was very grateful for the CGC review and that all of the items raised were incorporated into the new version. A professional writer had edited this most recent draft, and Grant distributed copies of this draft to the Council. The next step is to incorporate this study into the overall strategic plan that the ESS is planning for completion in the fall of 1999. Grant also said that the ESS solicits advice from a wide range of committees and organizations but not from individuals

It was pointed out that client based consultations were very important. The Committee of Provincial Geologists was consulted by ESS, and they agreed that the state of the demographics in all of the Surveys is of concern.

 
GSC Mineral Deposits Program Review The GSC has asked the CGC to conduct a review of this program. The review committee is being chaired by Bob Cathro of Vancouver, and consists of Scott Swinden of Halifax, Michael Lesher from Sudbury and Lynton Jaques from Australia. The committee will meet in Ottawa in late September and have a draft in the hands of the GSC at the end of that meeting.

Action: Provide a budget to the GSC for this review.

Bob McNutt
NSERC Reallocation  Jeremy Hall to provide a review of the most recent reallocation process for NSERC, where the Earth science faired very poorly. Approximately $480M is granted by NSERC, of which the Earth sciences receive about $37M, as follows:

-Research Grants $19M

-Research Partnerships

Univ/Industry $8M

Research Networks $6M

NRCan $0.5M

-Training $4M

-NCE’s (GEOIDAL)

TOTAL About$37M

Research Grants support basic, individual research across all NSERC-supported disciplines. The available funding in this particular envelope is redistributed among disciplines by a reallocation process. Every 4 years, all participants disciplines are taxed 10% of their grants, and then through a peer process this money is reallocated. The Earth sciences have lost during the last two reallocations regaining only 4% and 8% successively (compared with the 10% donated), and the Earth science community is very concerned about this loss of $1M from the process.

For the next reallocation, a Liaison Committee for Earth Sciences has been struck by NSERC, and it has proposed a process to better prepare the community for the next reallocation exercise in 2002. CGC is part of this committee, through our Issues Director. The committee will devise a questionnaire that will be distributed, and then a vision will be determined. At GeoCanada 2000 the CGC and the Royal Society of Canada will sponsor a theme called "Earth Science Research for the 21st Century". A report will result, and this will form the basis of new proposals that will then be given to the Steering Committee who will make the next reallocation submission in 2002. This process will provide CGC’s Member Societies and others an opportunity to have meaningful input into the submission. Other organizations such as PAGSE (Partnership Group for Science and Engineering) will also have opportunities to participate.

This process will also allow the community to integrate mega projects into the submission on such topics as ODP, Mariprobe and climate change to mention three.

Council wondered who was on the NSERC Committee, and also suggested that opinions be gathered from people outside of the geoscience community, especially since peers both outside and inside of the geosciences review the reallocation submissions. The importance of geoscience research to the benefit of Canadians must be emphasized.

An article will be appearing in Geoscience Canada within the next few months describing the process.

Action: Names of members of the NSERC committee to be provided to Council.

Action: CGC Members to read article to be published in Geoscience Canada and provide comments back to CGC (Jeremy Hall) for input to process.

Action: A copy of the Article to be provided to PAGSE for review.

Action: A recommendation be forwarded to the committee suggesting that outside peer reviews be solicited at the appropriate time in the process.

Jeremy Hall 

Council Members

Jeremy Hall

Jeremy Hall

Future Mega Projects CGC, along with the Royal Society of Canada is taking the initiative in promoting new mega projects in Canada. It is planned that this will be one of the themes at the GeoCanada 2000 conference in Calgary next year, however the community is not there yet in its organization.

It was suggested that mega projects are put in the proper context, stressing the importance for Canadian geoscience, and pointing out that properly initiated and funded mega projects help to reverse the "brain drain" that has been an issue with government and the Canadian people.

A question was also raised regarding the contribution to mega research from industry in Canada. How much does industry actually support research funding in the geosciences? Some energy companies spend considerable amounts on research, but much of it is spent outside of Canada, because the expertise resides outside Canada.

In the mining sector, major companies are not always major employers because of the proliferation of junior mining companies, and therefore there is often not the critical mass to properly fund research. The question is, can industry help more?

It was also pointed out that there was often a problem with time frames between university research and industry requirements for results from research.

Action: Universities should be asked for a report on where their geoscience research funding comes from, and does industry provide a significant amount.

Action: The Mining Association of Canada should be asked regarding that industry's spending on R&D and where the money is going, and how much flows outside of Canada (John Carrington, CEO of Barrick Gold is Chair).

Action: The Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP) should be asked regarding R&D funding by their members.

It was pointed out that the Canadian Foundation for Innovation (Federal Government) is providing $800M over five years and the Chair is David Strangway. These funds must be matched and are targeted for infrastructure support at universities.

Bob McNutt

Bob McNutt

Jeremy Hall

Ocean Drilling Program (ODP) Jeremy Hall provided a report on the status of ODP and a history of funding by the Canadian government. ESS has indicated that it will reduce its current support by about $200K, this decision to be communicated to ODP by September/October to take effect in 2001.

The ODP has a complete budget of about US$45M, and the member nations contributing to ODP are USA (61%), UK (7%), Germany (7%), Japan (7%), European Consortium (7%), PACRIM Consortium (Includes Canada) (6%), France (4%), and China (1%).

Of the 6%, Canada contributes US$0.9833M, which is 2.2% of the total funding of ODP. This 2.2% allows Canada to participate in the planning of the program, allows Canada to have drilling completed in her waters as a direct benefit to Canadians and places Canadian scientists along side other international scientists on the ship.

Originally, Canada was a full partner. In 1985-88 it was a full member at US$3M shared by GSC, DFO, ISTC and NSERC. Over the years this commitment has fallen to US$.9833M (shared by NSERC and GSC) in 1998-2003. Within the PACRIM Consortium, Canada has committed to this contribution until 2003. Today, Canada (through the ESS of NRCan) has indicated that it will have to renege on its commitment and reduce its contribution by about $200K.

In the existing agreement Canada’s contribution is shared by NSERC at C$810K and GSC at C$350K plus exchange on USA funds. This means that GSC currently pays C$665K and has indicated that it will reduce this to C$450K for the remainder of the contract.

Beginning in 2003 a new program will replace ODP, and it will be called the Integrated Ocean Drilling Program (IODP). This program will use a Japanese ship capable of drilling 8km into the ocean sub floor in 2.5km of water, a much greater capability and one that will allow investigations of the passive margins and seismogenic zones. This will provide new and exciting research opportunities for those involved in the program. However, the costs to participants will be considerably more.

Council was asked if its members supported the ODP and there was a unanimous approval of the program and Canada’s role in it. A draft letter from the chair of the Canada ODP Council was circulated.

Council observed that it is the Cabinet that must be convinced that this program is beneficial to Canada and the people of Canada. We must convince Cabinet that GSC and NSERC have been left supporting the Canadian contribution when DFO and ISTC opted out of the program some years ago. ODP is the preeminent geoscience research program in the world, and Canada’s role is well recognized within this community.

After discussion, Council decided that CGC should organize a letter writing campaign to selected politicians asking them to continue support at its present level not only for the current commitment to 2003, but to consider a strategy of Canadian funding for the new Integrated Ocean Drilling Program after 2003. The letters should point out that this should be a Canadian commitment, not just a commitment by NRCan and NSERC.

It was suggested that letters be sent to the following Ministers with copies to the Prime Minister:

-Hon. Lloyd Axworthy, Minister of Foreign Affairs

-Hon. Ralph Goodale, Minister of Natural Resources

-Hon. John Manley, Minister of Industry

-Hon. Sergio Marchi, Minister of International Trade

-Hon. Diane Marleau, Minister of International Cooperation

-Hon. Christine Stewart, Minister of the Environment

There is also a Natural Resources Committee composed of those departments involved in natural resources. It was also suggested that the Standing Committees on Natural Resources be approached.

It was decided that CGC would provide the Members of Council with templates of letters that would be appropriate for each member society to send to the above politicians. These letters would be drafted for the mineral sector, the learned societies and the energy sector. There would also be a consolidated letter from the CGC.

Action: To provide the Business Manager with the name and address of the special committee on natural resources.

Action: To have the Canada ODP Council provide "sector letter templates" to CGC for issuance to Member Societies.

Action: To provide names and addresses for letters.

Action: To advise ODP of CGC’s support and action.

Action: To approach private sector for support.

Jeremy Hall
 

John Gartner
 

Jeremy Hall
 

Jeremy Hall

GAC Position Paper The GAC provided CGC with a paper that explored the future of CGC and made 10 specific recommendations for the future running and structure of the CGC. Copies of the paper were distributed and the paper has also been posted to the CGC web page.

Grant Mossop, representing CGC reviewed the recommendations. CGC has implemented a number of these recommendations and will be seriously considering others as it continues to change its approach to geoscience problems and issues in Canada.

Action: A letter should be sent to GAC formally thanking them for their input and recommendations

 

Bob McNutt

Mines and Energy Ministers’ Meeting Submission Mary-Claire Ward indicated that she is to appear and give a 5 minute verbal presentation to the Mines Ministers at their conference in September. She indicated that the Mining Association of Canada was taking charge of the process on behalf of the mineral sector. While representations have been made in the past regarding the reduction in funding of geological surveys in Canada, and that the organizers of the conference feel that this issue has been dealt with in the past, Mary-Claire, with support from Council feels that the issue must continue to be vigorously pursued. 

Mary-Claire is presenting her brief on behalf of the Intergovernmental Working Group (IGWG) which is sponsored by the Assistant Deputy Ministers of the provincial mines ministries. The focus will be on geological mapping and alternative funding. This submission will be written at a 2-day session within the next month, and a draft has already been prepared.

It was pointed out that the dynamics of these conferences are important and that issues are phrased as issues for all ministers, not just a few. 

Another question was "Are there any data available about the economic impact of the downturn of geological survey funding in Canada?" No one was aware of such data.

In the energy sector economics drives the issues, but one of the important issues is climate change, and particularly the importance of the geosciences to the study of climate change.

It was decided that for the Mines Ministers portion of the conference, CGC would write a letter supporting the IGWG position and lend strength and support from the entire geoscience community to the presentation being made by Mary-Claire Ward. The letter would emphasize the importance of maintaining Canada’s competitive edge in the geosciences. This was made a motion, moved by Denis St-Onge and seconded by Elaine Honsberger.

It was also decided that the energy sector would provide a letter dealing with the climate change issue, especially emphasizing the role of the geosciences.

Action: Draft letter of IGWG to be forwarded to Jeremy Hall

Action: Prepare letter for energy ministers dealing with climate change and forward copy to CGC.

Action: Advise Jeremy Hall of content of letter of IGWG submission.

Action: Write supporting letter from CGC for IGWG submission.

Mary-Claire Ward 

Ted Watchuk 

Mary-Claire Ward

Jeremy Hall

Members Issues During the past months, Member Societies have been submitting a list of issues to the Issues Director. The Issues Director presented these issues, and grouped them into 11 different headings for discussion and to determine a process whereby the Council can start to prioritize and deal with the issues. These issues will be listed later on in these minutes.

A discussion ensued whereby Council discussed how best to deal with these issues. At one point concern with what Council was attempting to do was raised. It was thought that we are asking delegated people to take on a lot of work, and some of the people so delegated are not even at the table. Exactly what is being asked of the delegated people.

It was finally agreed that the people would be asked to prepare "scoping papers" on each issue. The delegated people should rely on other Council members for information and advice as necessary. These scoping papers should give the background facts to the issue and be as brief as possible (one page was mentioned).

The following are the issues, and those assigned to prepare the scoping papers. These papers should be presented at the fall meeting of Council.

Action Items:

1. Geoscience Data Base: Jan Boon and the National Geological Surveys Committee of the Committee of Provincial Geologists

2. Marine Geoscience: Jeremy Hall to meet with CSPG & CSEG and CMOS.

3. Capacity Gaps: Jeff Fawcett/ Andy Fyon

4. Climate Change: Coordinated by Corey Froese of CGS with input from CAG, CANQUA, and CSPG

5. Complete (Adequate) Mapping of Canada: Mary-Claire Ward with cooperation from PDAC/CPG (Jan Boon).

6. Professional Registration: Jeff Fawcett and Hugh Miller
 

7. Coordinated projects on Exploration and Remediation: This issue is to be referred CCCESD for clarification

8. Earth Science in Society: CGEN (Paul Robinson)

9. Mega Projects: Already dealt with

10. Leadership, Consensus Building, Broad Representation: This is part of the restructuring and refocussing of CGC.

11. New Exploration Tools for Deep Mineral Deposits: It was felt that this issue was too specific for the Council without further clarification

Action: CGC letter supporting CGS regarding support for geological engineering programs as they relate to the Canadian Council of Professional Engineers (CCPE)

Action: Coordination of above contributions, with each society using email and CGC placing issues on our web page.

Jan Boon

Jeremy Hall

Jeff Fawcett
 
 Corey Froese
 

Mary-Claire Ward
 

Jeff Fawcett and Hugh Miller

 

 Paul Robinson

 

CGC Board

 

 Dirk Tempelman-Kluit

  

Jeremy Hall

Financial Director Ron McMillan tabled the audited statement for 1998-1999 The audited statement showed a net revenue of $14.7K and a surplus of $280.5K. 

The proposed Budget A for 1999-2000 was tabled. Peter Robinson moved that the budget be approved and Peter Bobrowsky seconded the motion.

The budget showed a net deficit for the period of $72.5K. This included a budget of $75K for the Business Manager’s office and $45K for international funding.

The International Director briefly described the funding for the International Union of Geological Societies and the Canadian portion of the International Geological Correlation Program.

The Board explained that they have asked the International Director to prepare an analysis of the international funding, since the GSC has indicated that the CGC may decide in their wisdom how the international money is spent, if indeed spent at all.

The Board also explained that the Financial Director and Business Manager will be preparing a 3-year budget for the fall meeting of Council.

The budget was approved with 2 votes opposing the motion. The motion was carried.

Action: To provide a 3-year budget for presentation at next Council meeting.

Ron McMillan and John Gartner
Vision for Future of CGC and Tasks Accomplished Dirk Tempelman-Kluit said that he is committed to going forward with the CGC in its efforts to refocus its efforts and restructure the way that it does things. The process of change has already started and it will continue during Dirk’s mandate. The mandate is be to focus the effort and broaden the mandate.

The Business Manager briefly described the plans for a census of geoscientists and the formation of a "grassroots" database. The member societies will be kept informed and asked for input as this proceeds. 

John Gartner read from part of his Business Manager’s report that was tabled on some of the future initiatives to be carried out over the next year.

It was suggested that it might be wise to have a two-day meeting with group discussions to review the "backgrounder papers" that had been circulated and to help get ideas to revamp the CGC.

 
Report of Geological Survey of Canada Grant Mossop gave a brief report and he distributed copies of a GSC report for Council. The GSC is going from a program structure to a "goals and objectives" form of managing the programs. It is also transforming the way it funds projects, by introducing a proposal-driven process. These will be introduced over a three-year period.  
Canadian Council of Professional Geoscientists Gordon Williams gave a brief update to activities of the CCPG. The Standards Board was meeting in Toronto on June 12th and Jeff Fawcett was attending this meeting.

To date seven provinces and territories have registration legislation in place, and Ontario hopes to have registration in place next year, Nova Scotia has legislation prepared and Quebec is still waiting. Mobility of registration is the key objective of CCPG.

 
Future Meetings It was agreed that the future meetings should be as follows:

Oct. 22-24, 1999 – Regina with the CGS

Jan. 28-30, 2000 – Vancouver with the Roundup

June 3-4, 2000 – Calgary with GeoCanada 2000

Fall, 2000 – Ottawa, to be announced

 
Other Business Alan Morgan explained that the CGC has acquired 5000 posters at limited cost from the AGI in the USA to promote Earth Science week, and these will be distributed to schools across Canada.  
Adjournment of Meeting A motion was put forward to adjourn the meeting and the meeting ended at about 4:00PM  
Business Meeting Immediately following the Council meeting, the Annual Business Meeting was held, whereby the new slate of Directors was elected. These are as follows:

President: Dirk Tempelman-Kluit

Past President: Bob McNutt

Issues Director: Jeremy Hall

Committee Director Antoni Lewkowicz

Education Director Paul Robinson

International Director Peter Bobrowsky

Administrative Director Alan Morgan

Financial Director Ron McMillan

The Business Meeting was finished at 4:18PM

 
 


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